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Mar 8 08 12:03 AM

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Infantry Tank Mark 3 Valentine Mark I
It's a tiny tank really. But with its unusual lines, low profile and forward looking turret position it's a very attractive tank, I reckon.
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Year: '41
Crew: 3
Weight: 17,690kg
Dimensions: 17'9'' X 8'7.5'' X 7'5.5''
Ranges: 90 miles
Armour: 0.3-2.6'' (*3/1 - classified equal to a late Panzer III)
Firepower: 2-pder, 7.62mm MG (*3/1 - classified equal to a Panzer III H 50mm short)
Engine: 131hp
Max speed: 15mph (*meduim)
Fording: 3ft
Vertical obsticle: 2'9''
Trench: 7'6''

(*PanzerGrenadier rules factor)

Saw extensive use in the North African desert - initially out-powered the earlier 45mm gunned Panzer III's. 8000 produced.
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The Valentine was designed by Vickers company as an infantry support tank. The Valentine was the UK’s third infantry tank (the first two being the Matilda 1 and the Matilda 2) hence Infantry Tank Mk 3. There were eleven different variants (Marks) of the Infantry Tank Mk 3 but they all look pretty similar. The prime changes made was the change from a petrol engine to a diesel engine for the Mk II; a new GMC diesel engine for the Mk IV. All of these Marks had a two-person turret, no bow gunner, and were under-armed with a 2-Pounder high velocity AT gun.

The Valentine Mk III and Mk V was the Valentine with a turret modified to hold a third crewmember to increase efficiency. To make room I understand the gun trunnion was moved forward 8” and the turret bustle was extended back 8” to balance. This gives the Valentine Mk III and Mk V its distinctive turret shape with bulbous gun mantlet.

Mk X and Mk XI were apparently both 75-mm gun armed.
(Thanks to Stephen Brezinski)
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Mar 8 08 12:17 AM

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They all look a bit neat. It's the rust-bucket look I was going for. This is the Italieri 1/72 scale.

Trying out 'baggage'.
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Repair to front using plastic putty and some distress to the track-guard using a knife and a wire-cutter.
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Wash
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Mar 8 08 12:30 AM

Slight typo Cacs - you mean the 50mm L42 gun equipped PzIII.

The Valentine doesn't have an "A" number, as it was originally a private design, usuing a similar chassis to the early Crusiers (A9 & A10).

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Mar 8 08 12:35 AM

Rust wash - very very dilute red-brown enamel (applied to most areas over a layer of white spirit to cut down the formation of
random edges to the colour).
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Mar 8 08 8:52 AM

nice,

anyone know the regiment riding the desert tank?

Always good to see pictures from Bovington, so I hope you will all be going to Bovington in July for Battlegroup South's show and weekend extravaganza

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Mar 9 08 9:15 PM

etranger wrote:
Slight typo Cacs - you mean the 50mm L42 gun equipped PzIII.
I suppose so :l:

The PanzerGrenadier rules define the 1941 Panzer type H as being the first with a ''short 50mm'' and previous types (B-F), the ''37mm''.

In fact, the 50mm (that's the 50mm L/44/99) was fitted even to type E, all the way through to type J. That's E and F from '39, G and H from '41 and J from '42.

PanzerGrenadier rules also give the ''Long 50mm'' to 1942 types J, K, L and M.

Whereas I can only find records of the 50mm KwK L/39/78 (assuming that's the same thing) fitted to the 1942 type L. And type M, was already fitted with the L/24 75mm - same as on the Panzer IV A.

What do you reckon?

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Mar 11 08 1:01 AM

Cacadores wrote:
etranger wrote:
Slight typo Cacs - you mean the 50mm L42 gun equipped PzIII.
I suppose so :l:

The PanzerGrenadier rules define the 1941 Panzer type H as being the first with a ''short 50mm'' and previous types (B-F), the ''37mm''.

In fact, the 50mm (that's the 50mm L/44/99) was fitted even to type E, all the way through to type J. That's E and F from '39, G and H from '41 and J from '42.

PanzerGrenadier rules also give the ''Long 50mm'' to 1942 types J, K, L and M.

Whereas I can only find records of the 50mm KwK L/39/78 (assuming that's the same thing) fitted to the 1942 type L. And type M, was already fitted with the L/24 75mm - same as on the Panzer IV A.

What do you reckon?


No real disagreement here. The short 50mm was more usually known in the literature as L42 & the long 50mm as L60 but the Germans often simply differentiated them as kurz (or short) & lang (or long) barrelled in strength returns. IIRC the short 50 was first fitted to the ausf H but retrofitted to some of the earlier models. Ausf L through M had the long 50, some built nominally as ausf N may have recieved long 50s in place of the usual short 75mm gun, although otherwise the difference between the M & N was minimal. Some late Ausf J might also have received the long 50mm gun. I'll try & find the appropriate Panzertracts next weekend.

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Mar 11 08 4:42 PM

Ok - then the PanzerGrenadier rules would be taking account of retro-fitting, which is fair enough.

Actually, for gaming of course, you just go with what the model has. But any info you've got ET would be interesting.

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Mar 12 08 3:59 PM

Here's a Valantine with the red and white mark: the Matildas had the same - except there was less room with the cannisters to have it on the turret sides[img]image

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